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7 big things we just learned from the Trump Tower meeting testimony

The Senate Judiciary Committee released 2,500 pages of congressional testimony on Wednesday. The trove of information provides a new window into that ill-fated June 2016 Trump Tower meeting before which Donald Trump Jr. was promised damaging Russian government information about Hillary Clinton — from Natalia Veselnitskaya, who turned out to be a Kremlin-connected lawyer.

The episode has been a centerpiece of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of whether there was any collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. And now we know much more about what the people who were there said under oath about it.

Here are some key findings.

Trump Jr. confirms ‘I love it’ was in reference to dirt on Clinton

One line from Trump Jr.’s email exchange with a publicist for a Russian musician stood out: “I love it.” Publicist Rob Goldstone said his source could provide “official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia.” He said the information had come from the “Crown prosecutor of Russia,” which isn’t an official government title in Russia, but “crown prosecutor” is roughly equivalent to the attorney general in Goldstone’s native Britain.

Trump Jr.’s response: “Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

In his testimony to Congress, he confirmed that he was talking about the opposition research when he said “I love it.”

This is key because Trump Jr. wasn’t completely clear about what he was talking about in the email. It suggests that he was eager to have the meeting specifically because of the opposition research that would supposedly be supplied by official sources in the Russian government. His initial explanation of the meeting suggested that it was primarily about adoptions, although that explanation quickly fell apart.

Trump Jr. says President Trump may have influenced misleading explanations about the meeting through Hope Hicks

The Washington Post has reported that the president dictated some of the misleading explanations for the meeting — which aides worried could open him up to charges of a coverup.

Trump Jr. said he didn’t know about his father’s direct involvement and actively discouraged it, but he said he thinks Trump may have influenced the messaging about the meeting through then-White House communications aide Hope Hicks:

Q. To the best of your knowledge, did the president provide any edits to the statement or other input?

A. He may have commented through Hope Hicks.

Q. And do you know if his comments provided through Hope Hicks were incorporated into the final statement?

A. I believe some may have been, but this was an effort through lots of people, mostly counsel.

Trump Jr. says he doesn’t recall whether a key call to a blocked phone number was to his father

Trump Jr. made a phone call after speaking with Russian pop star Emin Agalarov about the meeting, but we don’t know whom it was to because the number was blocked. A big question has been whether that was his father, and whether Trump Jr. might have informed his father about the meeting. Former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski has testified that the president’s primary residence utilizes a blocked number.

Trump Jr. has previously denied that his father knew about the meeting, but he said in testimony that he doesn’t recall whether the call was to his father:

Q. Does your father used a blocked number on his cellphone or on any phones that you call him on?

A. I don’t know.

Q. So you don’t know whether this might have been your father?

A. I don’t.

Meeting attendees say no information was provided

It’s clear that Trump Jr. intended to get opposition research from Veselnitskaya in the meeting, but part of his defense has long been that he was unsuccessful in doing so — that the meeting was a bust. So even if you believe that the meeting represented attempted collusion with a Kremlin-aligned lawyer, the whole thing never actually came to fruition.

And people who attended the meeting generally agreed that it didn’t include the transmission of damaging information.

“I don’t know what would be deemed ‘damaging,’ but I didn’t hear anything that I would deem to be damaging,” Goldstone said. “And I didn’t see anybody react in a way that I believed people would react if they heard damaging information.”

Trump Jr. also reiterated, under oath, that the meeting was a waste of time: “All else being equal, I wouldn’t have wanted to waste 20 minutes hearing about something that I wasn’t supposed to be meeting about.”

Goldstone says he didn’t believe the Russian government was trying to interfere in the U.S. campaign

Despite his email to Trump Jr. promising information that originated with the Russian government, Goldstone said he didn’t understand it to be part of an effort to influence the campaign:

Q. So at the time you sent this email, did you have any reason to believe that the Russian government was making efforts to interfere in the U.S. presidential election?

A. No.

Goldstone vented about the meeting being “an awful idea” after investigators grilled him

In an email to Agalarov in June 2017, Goldstone expressed concern that the investigation was becoming very serious and said he regretted the whole thing.

“I did say at the time this was an awful idea and a terrible meeting,” he wrote.

This was also, notably, 11 days before the New York Times first reported on the existence of the meeting. It shows again how far ahead Mueller’s team is of what we see being reported.

Paul Manafort’s notes

We’ve known that then-campaign manager Paul Manafort took notes during the meeting, and now we know what they said.

Here they are:

Bill browder

Offshore – Cyprus



Not invest – loan

Value in Cyprus as inter


Active sponsors of RNC

Browder hired Joanna Glover

Tied into Cheney

Russian adoption by American families

Exactly what any of it means is unclear, but there will be plenty of sleuthing to figure it out.

A few notes, though: Browder is the U.S. businessman behind the Magnitsky Act, which the Russian government hates. “Joanna Glover” appears to be former aide to vice Ppsident Richard B. Cheney and current GOP lobbyist Juleanna Glover, who worked on the Magnitsky Act. “Illici” is unclear but seems as though it may have been a typo for “illicit.”

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